To get the blog going – I recently experienced an auditor from a large banking group – who undertook a Compliance audit at one of my clients. The auditor, I must admit, was not a bank employee but a contractor that had satisfied the bank that he was capable of performing a compliance audits. During the audit, I requested a review to ensure we were all on the same page. The auditor swaggered into my office and promptly sat himself down, as if he owned my office, and promptly started to tell us how bad we were. Listening in disbelief and utter confusion, I stopped the auditor in his tracks and asked what the issues were. To my horror, he promptly handed me a number of non conformities that had no bearing on the audit whatsoever. When questioned he said this was his scope and we were in non conformance with a number of items. In reality, he had decided to extend his scope and look at what he was interested in. When questioned about his findings, it was obvious he was making it up as he went along. For example- he stated that one side of our buildings had to have bullet proof windows because it was aligned with the multi-storey car park and a sniper could easily shoot someone in the office. I asked the auditor what he believed the cost would be to do this – he said that wasn’t his problem, we just had to do it. We also discussed other supposed non-conformities which in the end were all rescinded. I promptly decided to call an end to the meeting and requested we resume the next morning to review this particular NCR – I really wanted to find out what cost we were talking about.
I contacted the maintenance guys and asked the question about the bullet proof windows – I actually thought they were thinking I had been drinking and were jerking them around. I really needed to get a ‘gut-feel’ for the cost so I could confront an auditor with some ammunition against the NCR (please excuse the pun)!
The maintenance guys luckily had a contact and we were able to get a rough price for this type of work. Let’s say in was over $500,000 and would take approximately 2 months to get the job done.
The next day came around all too quickly, the auditor came to see me at the prescribed time and I then decided to play a game. I gave the auditor the costing and then asked to see his working papers and baseline controls that indicated we needed to have bullet proof windows. To my absolute dismay, he told me that it was his decision and that the bank would back him up regardless of working papers and controls (which he didn’t have). To be completely truthful – I really had a good idea he was just trying to prove a point and stamp his authority on my client. I decided that I would ask him to reconsider and rescind this NCR as well. To my disbelief he said no and that the NCR stood. I really didn’t know if to laugh or cry because my experience was staring to show that there were many audit bullies out there and that they are running ‘rough-shot’ over organizations with little to no auditor skill in dealing with NCRs.
The outcome
I decide to contact the bank, (the audit manager) to discuss this situation. What transpired was that the audit manager for this auditor was astounded that one of his team was taking a stance like this and was working outside of the audit scope. He was also astounded that the auditor had insisted that the work needed to be done and the auditor had stated the bank would back him up. In reality we had found a rogue auditor (and there are lots out there) trying to make organization do what the auditor wants with no regard for cost of NCR versus benefit. One good thing did come out of it – the auditor was promptly removed form site and promptly removed as a contractor for the bank.
Lessons learned
Do not be afraid to question what an auditor is telling you, there is a tendency to accept the NCRs and then run off to fix the problem – sometimes fixing the problem or so-called problem can cost more than the overall benefit and risks involved.
Before letting an auditor on site
Make sure you have an audit plan and you understand what is in the scope of the audit.
Check auditor competency – specifically – knowledge and understanding of the audit scope, and business sectors being audited. Do not be afraid to question the auditor and findings – REMEMBER – management determines and carries the risk of the business not the auditor.
I look forward to reading stories of Audit Bullies and bad auditing experiences that can be shared with the community!